Here's A Court Case For You !

ChefChiTown

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To me its more sad than sick.

To be able to get aroused and manage to stay aroused while your wife is in a coma and hooked up to tubes and machines is a pretty sick act, if you ask me.

If my wife was in a coma, blowing my load and getting my nut on would be the absolute last thing on my mind.
 
Only thing I can say is I think both parties are guilty here. First off the cops. They have no right videotaping anyone in an intimate moment, unless it's during a child porn case. Then I say use everything to put those fuckers away. Second off the guy that was caught having sex with his comatose wife is guilty of two things: being a moron and having no common sense. I understand that the man wanted to get laid, I really do. But in a situation like that, and normally I do not condone this, but why didn't he go to a hooker or something like that? Or at least use his hand? There is absolutely no excuse for having sex with a comatose person, even if it's your own wife. Like it was said earlier, that person has no way of protecting herself, let alone give consent.

I say this is as close to a rape case as you can get, maybe it is one, but I'm no one to judge here, so I'll leave it at that. Some of you may say yes it is a rape case, and more or less you may be right. Personally I think this is a sick case and that man needs serious help. The cops involved though are just as sick as that guy in the regards that they videotaped an intimate moment, even as sick as it is.

I'm sorry, I got half of Friday's post edited, unintentionally.

It appears you are talking about an egg and hen situation. "Cops did wrong first, the man did wrong first."
Lets examine the sequence:
1. The man put the woman in the nursing home and asked for privacy while meeting her there, in a public place.
2. The nurses suspected a unwanted situation happening during the meeting.
3. Informed the cops.
4. The cops video-taped.
5. The guy went to court talking about breach of his privacy and rights when accosted by the cops.
6. The court upheld his rights of privacy. ( Means; to fuck his COMATOSE wife peacefully? :dunno:)
 

Facetious

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I have asked three married women the big question today : "In the event that you were to ever become comatose, for whatever reason, would You Mind if your hubb parked it in your poonie for a while as he passionately cries on your shoulder whispering in your ear to wake up ?
My sister immediately answered out loud so that her hubby could hear her from the other room "He better not strand me, dammit ! Yeah, she said, what's the difference ? I want company if this coma, God forbid were to ever happen ! What ever made you think of this", she said, with a surprised look on her face.

OOps ! I'll be back. Other two revelations later. Chef, I have the answers to your previous ?s as well.
I hope that you just don't hate my guts about this. Any honest answer is all good to me. ;)
 

Violator79

Take a Hit, Spunker!

I'm sorry, I got half of Friday's post edited, unintentionally.

It appears you are talking about an egg and hen situation. "Cops did wrong first, the man did wrong first."
Lets examine the sequence:
1. The man put the woman in the nursing home and asked for privacy while meeting her there, in a public place.
2. The nurses suspected a unwanted situation happening during the meeting.
3. Informed the cops.
4. The cops video-taped.
5. The guy went to court talking about breach of his privacy and rights when accosted by the cops.
6. The court upheld his rights of privacy. ( Means; to fuck his COMATOSE wife peacefully? :dunno:)

I didn't mean it as a egg and hen situation. I was just saying that both parties are to blame and I wasn't putting those in any chronological order. My appologies if I confused you or anyone.
 
My sister immediately answered out loud

that's just sick man. you shouldn't be talking to your sister about her getting plowed by her husband.

and people seem to be missing the fact that the cops were videotaping him to use as evidence against him because they knew what he was doing and wanted to catch him in the act, not just for the hell of it or because they videotaped everyone that was in there when they were alone with their spouses.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
To be able to get aroused and manage to stay aroused while your wife is in a coma and hooked up to tubes and machines is a pretty sick act, if you ask me.

If my wife was in a coma, blowing my load and getting my nut on would be the absolute last thing on my mind.

me too.
 
My sister immediately answered out loud so that her hubby could hear her from the other room "He better not strand me, dammit ! Yeah, she said, what's the difference ? I want company if this coma, God forbid were to ever happen ! What ever made you think of this", she said, with a surprised look on her face.

Did you listen to your sister carefully, Facetious? I heard her, as a woman to a woman. I've 'bold'ened your sister's words as told by you. She didn't want to be stranded by her husband while she is in coma. Which wife would? But the situation is so preposterous that she had to ask- "What ever made you think of this?"

That's where the crunch is. You listened what you wanted to listen. You wanted to justify an action, and you heard that through your sister's word "loud and clear." I didn't.

On the other hand I asked dd, whether in a situation when I'm incapable of providing my willing participation in bed, and unconscious, would he do it? He laughed it away.
I asked "Seriously, tell me."
His answer was - "I'm a social animal, alright, but not an animal. What do you take me for?"
When I explained the situation, he asked me in a grim voice, "If you have to ask such a question, it means we are living in a pig-pen."

Could you here his voice 'loud and clear'?
 
I didn't mean it as a egg and hen situation. I was just saying that both parties are to blame and I wasn't putting those in any chronological order. My appologies if I confused you or anyone.

Dear Violator, Let's consider the cops didn't interfere. What would have happened? The man could go on doing what he was doing without detection. On your own logic, he would have carried on with a wrongful deed unabated. Other option was to put on a nurse or a guard during his visiting hours within the room. What that would have been? Violation of his right to privacy. You can not have your cake and eat it too.

Another Argument: "He loved his wife so much, he wanted to bring back her consciousness by having intercourse with her." - Right. Why shift her to a public place like a hospital for that? She only needed life sustaining medication and intravenous food. That could easily be arranged in "domiciliary hospitalization" scheme. I did it for dd.

On the other hand: He shifted the pain of caring of his wife to others having an obligation to visit his wife for a limited period of time and prove himself a caring husband.

Was it because, he was satisfying his over-active libido on the side at home while his wife languished in a hospital under the care of third party nurses and doctors?

This is a question I didn't raise because it never came in to my mind before. I'm not basically a cynic. But the posts in favor of the man made me one, for this instance.

It's no business of mine, but the staunch supporter, the sister-in-law, is she providing solace to her bereaved brother-in-law, while her sister is ailing? It's not unheard off. She may be looking on to the main-chance once her sister is out of the way.

It's so ugly that it defies words.
 
Shred The Constitution a little bit?

Guys, remember, a person's "rights" isn't about taste. If everything was about "taste," we would have been fucked long ago.

Kudos to the lawyers and judge on this one. They got it right.

Had this guy been porking someone other than his dead wife, different story. There would be far more to throw at him.

It's sick. It's gross. But that doesn't excuse the real issues going on here.

Otherwise, we're fucked.
 
This mope is definitely a fucking douche-bag asshole. You would think that having a comatose wife laying in some hospital room somewhere, that at the very least, this numb nuts could of trolled Craigslist and find a way to get his rocks off instead of violating own his wife like that. Even perhaps a subscription to his favorite porn site with a years supply of Vaseline is forgivable, but this is truly despicable, wife or no wife.

Remind me to never lay in comatose in the wonderful State of Wisconsin.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
I have asked three married women the big question today : "In the event that you were to ever become comatose, for whatever reason, would You Mind if your hubb parked it in your poonie for a while as he passionately cries on your shoulder whispering in your ear to wake up ?
My sister immediately answered out loud so that her hubby could hear her from the other room "He better not strand me, dammit ! Yeah, she said, what's the difference ? I want company if this coma, God forbid were to ever happen ! What ever made you think of this", she said, with a surprised look on her face.

First of all, I don't believe you. I don't believe that you asked three women about this. But, for argument's sake, let's assume that you did.

Did you ask them with a serious tone? Or, with a non-chalant, "HA HA, so get this..." kind of tone? I'm willing to be it was the latter of the two. If your question has a "joking" tone, then none of the answers you get will be serious.

Also, did you ask them a pure, straight up question?
IE - "If you were in a coma and your husband had sex with your unconscious body while you were still comatose, how would you feel about that?"

Or...

Did you ask them a persuasive question?
IE - "You love your husband, don't you? If you were in a coma, feeling sad, lonely and abandoned, wouldn't you want to be loved? Wouldn't you want your husband to be by your side, kissing you? Holding your hand? Touching you? Letting you know that even though you were unconscious that he was still there for you? With that being said...if your husband wanted to show you how much he loved you, by making love to you, even while you were in a coma, just to let you know that he was still there for you...wouldn't you want him to do that? Wouldn't you want to be loved, conscious or not? :bats puppy dog eyes:"

I'm willing to be it was the latter of the two. If you ask someone a question, only after you've sold them on what answer you're looking for, then of course you're going to get the answer you're looking for.

OOps ! I'll be back. Other two revelations later. Chef, I have the answers to your previous ?s as well.
I hope that you just don't hate my guts about this. Any honest answer is all good to me. ;)

How long does it take to answer two, very, very simple questions?

Ooooooh, I get it. Your honest answers to those questions would completely be in constrast to every other statement that you've made in this thread and you don't want to make yourself look foolish. It's ok...I understand.
 
Re: Shred The Constitution a little bit?

Guys, remember, a person's "rights" isn't about taste. If everything was about "taste," we would have been fucked long ago.

what about the wife's rights? I guess they don't mean shit.
 

Violator79

Take a Hit, Spunker!
Dear Violator, Let's consider the cops didn't interfere. What would have happened? The man could go on doing what he was doing without detection. On your own logic, he would have carried on with a wrongful deed unabated. Other option was to put on a nurse or a guard during his visiting hours within the room. What that would have been? Violation of his right to privacy. You can not have your cake and eat it too.

Another Argument: "He loved his wife so much, he wanted to bring back her consciousness by having intercourse with her." - Right. Why shift her to a public place like a hospital for that? She only needed life sustaining medication and intravenous food. That could easily be arranged in "domiciliary hospitalization" scheme. I did it for dd.

On the other hand: He shifted the pain of caring of his wife to others having an obligation to visit his wife for a limited period of time and prove himself a caring husband.

Was it because, he was satisfying his over-active libido on the side at home while his wife languished in a hospital under the care of third party nurses and doctors?

This is a question I didn't raise because it never came in to my mind before. I'm not basically a cynic. But the posts in favor of the man made me one, for this instance.

It's no business of mine, but the staunch supporter, the sister-in-law, is she providing solace to her bereaved brother-in-law, while her sister is ailing? It's not unheard off. She may be looking on to the main-chance once her sister is out of the way.

It's so ugly that it defies words.

P+D I totally agree with what you said. What I was trying to get across is, while the act of having sex with a comatose person is just sick and wrong on many levels, the police should've had more common sense and not tape them. Those cops have to be perverts and getting off on that on some level.

While I do not condone what the man did, or what the cops did, both parties had horrible judgement and are both guilty. If anyone else gave consent for the man to do such actions, that person is just as guilty as the man and the cops. Like I said before, if he wanted to get his rocks off, he should've gone to a hooker or done something else than have sex with his comatose wife.

Furthermore, he should've known that his wife wouldn't feel anything from his actions and have no pleasure in it, which makes him even more self centered. He's the type of man that gives all the decent men a bad name. Both parties are guilty here, there's no question, but I think the cops are the lesser of the two evils. At least they tried to stop it, but they chose the wrong course of action.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
P+D I totally agree with what you said. What I was trying to get across is, while the act of having sex with a comatose person is just sick and wrong on many levels, the police should've had more common sense and not tape them. Those cops have to be perverts and getting off on that on some level.

While I do not condone what the man did, or what the cops did, both parties had horrible judgement and are both guilty. If anyone else gave consent for the man to do such actions, that person is just as guilty as the man and the cops. Like I said before, if he wanted to get his rocks off, he should've gone to a hooker or done something else than have sex with his comatose wife.

Furthermore, he should've known that his wife wouldn't feel anything from his actions and have no pleasure in it, which makes him even more self centered. He's the type of man that gives all the decent men a bad name. Both parties are guilty here, there's no question, but I think the cops are the lesser of the two evils. At least they tried to stop it, but they chose the wrong course of action.

After looking at this post, I decided to go back and look at the article again. When I did, I got even more confused about this whole "case". In the article it says...

MADISON, Wis. -- Police who videotaped a man having sex with his comatose wife in her nursing home room violated his constitutional rights, an appeals court ruled Thursday.

David W. Johnson, 59, had an expectation to privacy when he visited his wife, a stroke victim, at Divine Savior Nursing Home in Portage, the District 4 Court of Appeals ruled. Therefore, police violated his Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable searches when they installed a hidden video camera in the room, the court said.

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2008/09/12/news/doc48c9a2a779d69845259783.txt

But then it also says...

Police obtained a search warrant to videotape the room and installed the camera, which ran for three weeks. Johnson, who is free on bail, was charged based on that evidence.

Wondering what exactly a search warrant entitled police officers to do, I looked it up. Upon looking at the exact specifications and legalities involved with a search warrant, I saw this...

A defendant has standing to challenge the legality of a search on Fourth Amendment grounds only if he has a "legitimate expectation of privacy" in the place searched. Rakas v. Illinois, 439 U.S. 128, 148 (1978). The defendant bears the burden of establishing his legitimate expectation of privacy. Rawlings v. Kentucky, 448 U.S. 98, 104 (1980).

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/s117.htm

So, now I'm really confused, but I've realized that this "case" just goes to show how hypocritical our laws are here in the US.

The police had an authorized search warrant (for suspicion of illegal activity; IE - rape), but the courts decided that they were violating his right to privacy by installing hidden cameras in his wife's nursing home room because it was an "unreasonable search". How was it "unreasonable" at all? :dunno:

The nursing home staff contacted the police because they believed that this guy's wife was in danger. They were suspicious that he was having sex with her, so they contacted the authorities. The police, with reasonable suspicion that this man was raping his wife, then installed cameras to catch him in the act, in order to use it as evidence against him. But, the court dismissed the video tapes as evidence because it "violated his right to privacy"...

What about the wife's right to privacy? Her husband was RAPING her, which is the ultimate invasion of privacy, not mention...it's highly illegal and highly frowned upon in society.

So, basically, what the court is saying is that HIS privacy means more than his comatose wife's. BULL...FUCKING...SHIT.
 
Re: Shred The Constitution a little bit?

Kudos to the lawyers and judge on this one. They got it right.

Hi, Voluptuary.
dd would have been pleased, calling you "hi, Prof". You are so transparent, it defies logic.
Look at Chef's post. Should you be proud of your "justice system"? Even if you can say it exists at this instance?
 
I think Chef's most recent comment really summed this up nicely. Actually, I now think I was wrong in my earlier comment, as I actually went and read the full article. As Chef said, the nursing home staff suspected something foul was going on, so they called the cops. The cops got a warrant, made the tape for evidence purposes - as waiting outside her room's door or in the closet until they heard him moaning and groaning really wouldn't be practical - and he was busted based on that evidence, which presumably showed him raping a comatose (unconscious?) individual. It's about halfway to necrophilia, and I find it hard to believe that there could be any detail to this that would make me side with the woman's husband.
 
well, that is what I've repeatedly said. but I guess most people on here just scroll down to the bottom of the page and don't bother to read the other posts before replying.
 
How the fuck can ANYONE justify doing such a thing?!?!?!? I mean, seriously. THE WOMAN CANNOT CONSENT!!!!

I am absolutely disgusted.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
How the fuck can ANYONE justify doing such a thing?!?!?!? I mean, seriously. THE WOMAN CANNOT CONSENT!!!!

I am absolutely disgusted.

Why are you talking? Apparently you didn't get the message that was sent from this story. A woman's opinion doesn't matter!!!

Now, go on...GIT, GIT I said, GIT!!!
 
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